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Tesla / Aether / FTL
August 5, 2012
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May 30, 2012
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Nicola Tesla
I know he is the inventor of basically our entire modern Human civilization, as we know it at least. Very few have ever given him any credit. Not until recently when we began using super computers to analyze the universe, and began discovering that most of his crazier ideas were in fact not so crazy. For all of his inventions and contributions to humanity, the latter of his life he was railed against by those men he made rich. Simply because he had vision of free power and interconnecting the worlds communications (The internet) with his wireless grid and bettering humanity.
So he died broke, after giving away all his pattens, many that compose most of our modern style of living, and promising in his twilight to debunk or at least fundamental alter the theory of relativity and our idea of what drives the universe itself. As well as possibly delivering a few other choice technologies that he discovered or theorized. Then after he died, and being dead only a few hours the FBI stole all his papers and ideas, never to be seen again. They are still held by the CIA to this day, and are as guarded as well as Fort Knox
I have built Tesla coils and seen their wonder, and I know it only scratches the surface of what is possible. If Tesla really could harness and transfer power at unlimited distances with his longitudinal waves propagating inside a medium that all EM waves resonate through what is thought to be (though he never specifically named it) Aether(Plato first theorized its existence). And if he really did discover how gravity is comprised of waves that also propagates through this same medium, and he learned how to in theory harness it, what else did he know that we don't?
All this from a man born in a lightning storm and educated in time before telephones, neon lights, or toasters even existed.
When the time rolls around I am convinced that we should have the ability to build our own Wardenclyffe Tesla coil Power station, say on the moon and use it for powering the earth. Using either power from Fusion reactors fueled with Helium-3 or if not, then we should re-discover and tap into the Aether that Tesla used. Having a receiving Tesla Coil on the Gen 2 or Gen 3 Enterprise we use it to energize the ship anywhere in the solar system. Thus needing no Fission reactors. I also believe that we can re-discover Tesla's "gravity waves" and harness them for gravity on board the ship, as well as using that knowledge to fly the ship with no traditional engines, freeing us to explore further than anyone would care to imagine.

I may be an optimist but if we don't dream big for the next generation ships beyond Gen 1we will be stuck in the long run.Wink Just Food for thought

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June 21, 2012
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If only Tesla's gravity wave research wasn't in the hands of the FBI/CIA/or some other 3 letter acronym-ed agency we might be able to use Plato's aether (Aristotle's Fifth Element) to get around Einsteinian and Newtonian laws to harness the energy required to move space around us much like what I read warp drive does. The difference is that the energy is already their we just have to build another wardenclyffe to "tap" into it.

 

If Tesla could harness electricity and turn it into a blue ball of free floating plasma in the 1890's (a feat that has only been replicated a hand full of times and only in the last decade on a small scale) then surely a hundred ten years on we can re-discover what Tesla already knew. Faster Than Light travel with out actually going faster than light.

 

Any thoughts?

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June 21, 2012
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bud said
If only Tesla's gravity wave research wasn't in the hands of the FBI/CIA/or some other 3 letter acronym-ed agency we might be able to use Plato's aether (Aristotle's Fifth Element) to get around Einsteinian and Newtonian laws to harness the energy required to move space around us much like what I read warp drive does.

 

   You're in luck. Tesla's missing research isn't in their secret vaults, or in anyone's. It's fallacious to reason, "The World doesn't seem magical enough for my tastes. Ergo, the Government stole the magic from a 19th-Century savant."

 

   If you don't have Tesla's magic in front of you, then what evidence have you that it ever existed? Why lean on such a lame excuse for being marooned on this planet? If you want something, invoking the name of Tesla and pointing an accusing finger toward "The Government" won't get it for you. Learn math and physics. Figure it out on your own. Do the work. Earn it. Your dreams are your own responsibility, not Tesla's.

June 21, 2012
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    If you don't have Tesla's magic in front of you, then what evidence have you that it ever existed?

 Simply because the Savant known as Tesla died in poverty after claiming -tho briefly, to have either proved Einstein's theory of relativity flawed or inaccurate, or to have found a fundamental truth that would have added to it? It's not "Magic" and I am not pointing fingers at the government (though I have seen Tesla's papers from the FOIA request and they are heavily blacked out) tho any amount of research in a library setting were you delve into Tesla's world, will get any analytical mind to the point where it will have to wonder why? Why would he claim anything he hadn't already proved in some capacity?

 

  Along with recent "Discoveries" like inductive charging toothbrushes of the 80's or the more recent charge pads (a crappy version of a great Tesla idea) and the Millimeter Wave(death ray anyone?), makes you wonder what other modern tech can be traced to Tesla's ideas. Not to mention all the conspiracy theories of the Tesla-ites, like Tunguska, or the earthquake machine. There are too many to think of or list here. 

 

  I have, a decade ago, in High School helped to build some 4ft Tesla coils, and levitated a set of "Liftersp" which is cool as a experiment. Playing with raw power gives you an appreciation for Tesla tech up close. Once you see a fine tuned and functioning Tesla coil up close, and feel the raw power coursing over your skin, you can't help but feel the sheer wonder of that power, and think… what else are they capable of? what was Tesla capable of over 100 years ago? If two 4ft coils can levitate close to a half pound using ions, what was wardenclyffe really capable of? What if Tesla was at the helm and not a some random High Schooler with a 140 IQ playing with century old tech? who knows?

 

  I would say if Tesla were alive today he would still be at least 100 years ahead of everyone else on the planet, and would probably have built his flying machine and harnessed his gravity waves to fly it with, and with all this tech at his disposal, I'd postulate we wouldn't be having this discussion, we would already have human exploration of the solar system well underway. And FTL wouldn't be an issue.

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June 22, 2012
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bud said
If only Tesla's gravity wave research wasn't in the hands of the FBI/CIA/or some other 3 letter acronym-ed agency we might be able to use Plato's aether (Aristotle's Fifth Element) to get around Einsteinian and Newtonian laws to harness the energy required to move space around us much like what I read warp drive does. The difference is that the energy is already their we just have to build another wardenclyffe to "tap" into it.

 

If Tesla could harness electricity and turn it into a blue ball of free floating plasma in the 1890's (a feat that has only been replicated a hand full of times and only in the last decade on a small scale) then surely a hundred ten years on we can re-discover what Tesla already knew. Faster Than Light travel with out actually going faster than light.

 

Any thoughts?

 

Aether is an obsolete idea.

It was proposed to be a transmission medium for light in space, just as air was for sound.

This idea was disproven when light was found to be self-propagating.

There were also experiments made to find the stuff, but nothing was there.

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It seems too convenient to blame some three letter government agency for why we don't have certain technologies, especially when one mentions a big name like Tesla. I've seen this before.

Yes, Tesla did have amazing ideas, some of which are only recently being pursued.

However, it's rather presumptuous to assume that something like FLT wouldn't be an issue, were he alive today.

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June 22, 2012
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  Light is only described as self propagating. A wave and a charged particle traveling through space with out resistance and without a medium to transmit it. Every thing that exists propagates through a medium of some sort, where does that leave light?

 

  A particle/wave? If light is both it must encounter resistance of some sort, so it should show signs of that resistance, but it does not. Can anyone explain why light is self powered? I can't. And I am hard pressed to find the answer as to why it can move the way it does, and that goes beyond newton toward quantum mechanics and particle physics and beyond to the yet unknown.

 

  Heisenberg knew our understanding of quantum mechanics was limited, I would say no one really understands light because no one truly understands how it can act as a particle in one instance and a wave in another instance. As far as Aether goes Plato and Aristotle dreamed it up, Tesla and Einstein gave it credence, so I don't think it is an obsolete idea, not if cosmology has anything to say about it

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June 22, 2012
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    If you don't have Tesla's magic in front of you, then what evidence have you that it ever existed?

 Simply because the Savant known as Tesla died in poverty after claiming -tho briefly, to have either proved Einstein's theory of relativity flawed or inaccurate, or to have found a fundamental truth that would have added to it? It's not "Magic" and I am not pointing fingers at the government (though I have seen Tesla's papers from the FOIA request and they are heavily blacked out) tho any amount of research in a library setting were you delve into Tesla's world, will get any analytical mind to the point where it will have to wonder why? Why would he claim anything he hadn't already proved in some capacity?

 

  Along with recent "Discoveries" like inductive charging toothbrushes of the 80's or the more recent charge pads (a crappy version of a great Tesla idea) and the Millimeter Wave(death ray anyone?), makes you wonder what other modern tech can be traced to Tesla's ideas. Not to mention all the conspiracy theories of the Tesla-ites, like Tunguska, or the earthquake machine. There are too many to think of or list here. 

 

  I have, a decade ago, in High School helped to build some 4ft Tesla coils, and levitated a set of "Liftersp" which is cool as a experiment. Playing with raw power gives you an appreciation for Tesla tech up close. Once you see a fine tuned and functioning Tesla coil up close, and feel the raw power coursing over your skin, you can't help but feel the sheer wonder of that power, and think… what else are they capable of? what was Tesla capable of over 100 years ago? If two 4ft coils can levitate close to a half pound using ions, what was wardenclyffe really capable of? What if Tesla was at the helm and not a some random High Schooler with a 140 IQ playing with century old tech? who knows?

 

  I would say if Tesla were alive today he would still be at least 100 years ahead of everyone else on the planet, and would probably have built his flying machine and harnessed his gravity waves to fly it with, and with all this tech at his disposal, I'd postulate we wouldn't be having this discussion, we would already have human exploration of the solar system well underway. And FTL wouldn't be an issue.

 

 

 

   If Tesla were alive today he'd no closer to a century ahead of everyone else than he was a century ago. He never was insurmountably far ahead of the Competition. He was good at one thing: applied Maxwellian Electrodynamics. He wasn't a very deep thinker. His comments about General Relativity are just plain ignorant and show a curious inability to entertain outside the comfort zone of his particular talent. Saying, tho briefly, that he'd found flaws in General Relativity isn't the same as having succeeded at it (maybe he did, but where's the evidence?). You seeing inked-out documents isn't the same as seeing what's beneath the ink. Ink is ink. It's not information about electrodynamics.  

 

   And gi'me a break: You absolutely can't convince me that FTL would be no obstacle for the Great, the Mighty, Tesla. Everything he did in his career was rooted in Maxwell's Equations, and those equations are Lorentz invariant. They are part of the foundation for Special Relativity. Tesla never did anything to suggest that he might have some privileged knowledge which gets around it. Even the Great, the Mighty, Tesla can't violate the Laws of Physics. If the Laws allow FTL, then someone might someday figure it out. If Nature doesn't allow FTL, then no one will ever discover it.

 

   It has to be possible in order for it to be done. What makes you think it's possible? What makes you think Tesla would be up to the job of figuring it out? Because you wish it? Tesla has become a black box in which people find whatever it is they want. It's like Area 51. No one's allowed to see what's inside. Perfect. It means, then, that everything is in there. Extraterrestrial corpses and their spaceships? Yes. Of course they're in there, because the Government won't deny it. A secretive government is God's gift to the wishful, because it makes all things true. A page full of censored prose? Perfect. The Feds won't comment on what's under the ink. It's free to be anything one wishes.

 

   It's this sort of mentality which presents the greatest barrier to making a real, working spaceship Enterprise.

June 22, 2012
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  Light is only described as self propagating. A wave and a charged particle traveling through space with out resistance and without a medium to transmit it. Every thing that exists propagates through a medium of some sort, where does that leave light?

 

  A particle/wave? If light is both it must encounter resistance of some sort, so it should show signs of that resistance, but it does not. Can anyone explain why light is self powered? I can't. And I am hard pressed to find the answer as to why it can move the way it does, and that goes beyond newton toward quantum mechanics and particle physics and beyond to the yet unknown.

 

  Heisenberg knew our understanding of quantum mechanics was limited, I would say no one really understands light because no one truly understands how it can act as a particle in one instance and a wave in another instance. As far as Aether goes Plato and Aristotle dreamed it up, Tesla and Einstein gave it credence, so I don't think it is an obsolete idea, not if cosmology has anything to say about it

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   Why must a particle/wave photon encounter resistance in free space? You don't give a reason. There are known instances which illustrate that it's not a given, namely superfluidity and superconductivity. A superfluid flows without viscosity, and a superconductor carries electric current without ohmic resistance. 

 

   But aside that, light radiation does have a background medium, the Lorentz-invariant quantum-mechanical electromagnetic field. It can be called an aether, but it's important to keep in mind that it's not the classical aether. The classical aether had very specific mechanical properties which aren't useful in modern quantum field theory. In QFT every species of particle is the manifestation of its own background field. Electrons have an electron field. Strange quarks have a strange quark field. In QFT the fields are more fundamental than the particles, because the particles are excited states of the fields.

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Read the links!

  If I follow them correctly at all, I would assume (yes I know the pun) that Tesla's Aether is the same aether as Einstein and Plato, and every other scientist who has postulated it's existence. I don't need proof or examples, its a theory one that uses math only a savant could comprehend and explain back in anything resembling plain English (which I pointed out Heisenberg said is our limiting factor). I take from Tesla that aether is a medium in which all Electromagnetic Waveforms travel through both transverse (light) and Longitudinal (gravity).

 

 I don't believe Tesla is black box of hope for all unfound or lost tech, I believe without Tesla you would not have a computer to type on, as he did think up the transistor (and no not its modern version). I don't claim to be a genius or hold the answers, I program computers and telephones for a living, I don't have a lab, I don't think Tesla is God. I do however believe that if people stop calling him a quack and take some of his ideas more seriously like the government has (millimeter wave) then a genius with a lab and funding somewhere will figure out what Tesla took to his grave, how to manipulate Gravity to move a ship through space Faster Than Light…. Which was my whole point.

 

please stop quoting and just make a fresh arguments, its a waist of space.

 

  – good quality feed back should be civil you don't want this forum to end up like the Bad Astronomy Forum and be nothing but arguments from arm chair scientists who squabble and get nothing accomplished.

 

Lets give some good ideas, and positive feedback. 

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June 22, 2012
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@Bud,

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I was a frequent member of the Bad Astronomy Forum.

The aim made on it concerning related subjects to this is to separate quack from reality.

The line tends to be fuzzy on certain subjects.

And quite a few of the BAUT members are actual scientists.

The ones that make quack claims have been shown, time and again, to be unable to support their claims.

That, or they dismiss years of observation and substitute their own gospel truth.

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Concerning light, it is indeed viewed as both a particle and a wave.

Simply because you can not explain why it's self-propagating doesn't mean no one else can. ID proponents use a similar argument; "I can't explain it, therefore it makes no sense".

Do research. ASK questions. Don't make assumptions.

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The classical aether idea has been disproved by observations. Don't pretend it hasn't.

Mark has already given information to what's a modern view, which doesn't match Plato's aether.

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read the articles. here, here, here, here, or here all the way through and tell me there that it is not even remotely in the realm of possibility.

 

When You build a Tesla coil and start it up for the first time you quickly realize one thing that will stick with you for the rest of your life… Tesla was a mad scientist… and that he could have conceived all the things he did in the era he was in is hard to fathom. So when you read that he had an idea that others call crazy or wrong, you have to wonder what he knew that we don't. 

 

To you Aether may be an obsolete idea. And Lorentz invariance may hold the answer to what light actually is, however for me and many others it is not and the answer. The Lorentz group theory is just a theory as is aether and Relativity. I will bow down only when  in plain English or dumed down math, aether can be totaly dis-proven… 

 

Until then I will continue to hope (to win a lottery to build my own lab or) someone will prove Tesla right. If not I see little chance of us exploring our galaxy, because Lorentz and General relativity confine us from even approaching neer light speed needed to leaving our solar system  before we completely destroy ourselves.

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June 22, 2012
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@Bud,

The first link is a forum, not an actual article.

Regardless, I see little credibility in what it proposes. It gives little reason to assume why we should even accept that the classical aether even exists. And it makes rather big assumptions of what to do with what it proposes.

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The second link fares no better.

It makes claims of academic censorship, providing alternate explanations for null results, and little sustenance to back up contemporary observations.

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As I've said, I've seen this situation before. People claiming to have found things that the pros either missed or censored, as if there was some sort of conspiracy going on.

It also cherry picks data; it ignores the evidence that does show what supports our current understanding of things.

The second link also seems to try and support the Steady State universe, which has been disproved time and again with various observations.

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In short, all I see with the links you provide are tissue thin claims that ignore contemporary studies that continue to support our understanding of the cosmos.

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so you think Einsteins assumption that " space without Aether is unthinkable" is unthinkable?

 

-and there is no way you read through all that material it took me 6 hours to read, and comprehend.

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You only gave two links. Doesn't take THAT long to read them. I'm also a fast reader, and like I said, I've seen ideas like them before.

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I'm saying that the classical aether idea is disproven.

In it's place, like Mark said, could be QFT.

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there are 5 links here, here, here, here, or here and they take a while to read through and fully(or partially) understand.

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Two of those you already posted, so those are covered.

Another is mostly a lesson on the history of aether; nothing groundbreaking.

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Concerning Einstien's view on aether, there's this (it is rather short, so don't worry):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L…..the_aether

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As mentioned, his views on aether did nothing to develope modern physics.

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Sorry Bud, but links to lectures, history lessons, and quotes aren't enough to convince me.

What you could try are peer reviewed scientific studies. And I must emphasize on "peer reviewed".

Until then, I'm sticking with what I learned from Neil deGrasse Tyson.

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Whether or not you or Mark are convinced, doesn't matter the point I was originally trying to make is that there are possible ways to achieve FTL travel, that tho far fetched to many is well within the realm of possibility, and if Tesla said he could harness it, I will believe it not because there is a government conspiracy and not because Tesla was right about everything else(he was), but because I have to believe that their is the chance of using it for an inter-stellar ship.

 

If aether exists, and you can not prove it does not (just as I can not prove Lorentz's theory is wrong) then the amount of power we could tap into truly would be unlimited. And if we have access to that power a few things would happen very quickly. Humanity would be able to stop poisoning the Earth with carbon long enough to avoid drowning ourselves or killing all life on earth with the lack of sunlight, We would be able to stop relying on Nuclear power and again stop poisoning the Earth with Radioactive elements and growing an extra arm or three, and we might be able to harness it to power a ship (by using gravity itself to move it) capable of exploring our Solar System, and since Relativity has not been dis-proven we will need ungodly amounts of power to even approach near light speed to be able to explore our closest neighboring stars. And if we are around long enough and have enough power we might just be able to figure out how to travel faster than light (or destroy a good chunk of the galaxy in the attempt).

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  At the close of 1889, having worked one year in the shops of George Westinghouse, Pittsburgh, I experienced so great a longing for resuming my interrupted investigations that, notwithstanding a very tempting proposition by him, I left for New York to take up my laboratory work, But owing to pressing demands by several foreign scientific societies I made a trip to Europe where I lectured before the Institution of Electrical Engineers and Royal Institution of London and the Societe de Physique in Paris. After this and a brief visit to my home in Yugoslavia I returned to this country in 1892 eager to devote myself to the subject of predilection on my thoughts: the study of the universe.

 

   During the succeeding two years of intense concentration I was fortunate enough to make two far-reaching discoveries. The first was a dynamic theory of gravity, which I have worked out in all details and hope to give to the world very soon. It explains the causes of this force and the motions of heavenly bodies under its influence so satisfactorily that it will put an end to idle speculations and false conceptions, as that of curved space. According to the relativists, space has a tendency to curvature owing to an inherent property or presence of celestial bodies. Granting a semblance of reality to this fantastic idea, it is still self-contradictory. Every action is accompanied by an equivalent reaction and the effects of the latter are directly opposite to those of the former. Supposing that the bodies act upon the surrounding space causing curvature of the same, it appears to my simple mind that the curved spaces must react on the bodies and, producing the opposite effects, straighten out the curves, Since action and reaction are coexistent, it follows that the supposed curvature of space is entirely impossible. But even if it existed it would not explain the motions of the bodies as observed. Only the existence of a field of force can account for them and its assumption dispenses with space curvature. All literature on this subject is futile and destined to oblivion. So are also all attempts to explain the workings of the universe without recognizing the existence of the ether and the indispensable function it plays in the phenomena.

 

  My second discovery was a physical truth of the greatest importance. As I have searched the scientific records in more than half dozen languages for a long time without finding the least anticipation, I consider myself the original discoverer of this truth, which can be expressed by the statement: There is no energy in matter other than that received from the environment. On my 79th birthday I made a brief reference to it, but its meaning and significance have become clearer to me since then. I applies rigorously to molecules and atoms as well as the largest heav-enly bodies, and to all matter in the universe in any phase of its existence from it: very formation to its ultimate disintegration.

 

  Being perfectly satisfied that all energy in matter is drawn from the environment, it was quite natural that when radioactivity was discovered in 1896 I immediately started a search for the external agent which caused it. The existence of radioactivity was positive proof of the existence of external rays. I had previously investigated various terrestrial disturbances affecting wireless circuits but none of them or any others emanating from the earth could produce a steady sustained action and I was driven to the conclusion that the activating rays were of cosmic origin. This fact I announced in my papers on Roentgen rays and Radiations contributed to the Electrical Review of New York, in 1897. However, as radioactivity was observed equally well in other widely separated parts of the world, it was obvious that the rays must be impinging on the earth from all directions. Now, of all bodies in the Cosmos, our sun was most likely to furnish a clue as to their origin and character. Before the electron theory was advanced, I had established that radioactive rays consisted of particles of primary matter not further decomposable, and the first question to answer was whether the sun is charged to a sufficiently high potential to produce the effects noted. This called for a prolonged investigation which culminated in my finding that the sun's potential was 216 billions of volts and that all such large and hot heavenly bodies emit cosmic rays. Through further solar research and observation of Novae this has been proved conclusively, and to deny it would be like denying the light and heat of the sun. Nevertheless, there are still some doubters who prefer to shroud the cosmic rays in deep mystery. I am sure that this is not true for there is no place where such a process occurs in this or any other universe beyond our ken.

 

  A few words will be sufficient in support of this contention. The kinetic and potential energy of a body is the result of motion and determined by the product of its mass and the square of velocity. Let the mass be reduced, the energy is diminished in the same proportion. If it be reduced to zero the energy is likewise zero for any finite velocity. In other words, it is absolutely impossible to convert mass into energy. It would be different if there were forces in nature capable of imparting to a mass infinite velocity. Then the product of zero mass with the square of infinite velocity would represent infinite energy. But we know that there are no such forces and the idea that mass is convertible into energy is rank nonsense.

 

  While the origin and character of the rays observed near the earth's surface are sufficiently well ascertained, the so-called cosmic rays observed at great altitudes presented a riddle for more than 26 years, chiefly because it was found that they increased with altitude at a rapid rate. My investigations have brought out the astonishing fact that the effects at high altitudes are of an entirely different nature, having no relation whatever to cosmic rays. These are particles of matter projected from celestial bodies at very high temperature and charged to enormous electrical potentials. The effects at great elevations, on the other hand, are due to waves of extremely small lengths produced by the sun in a certain region in the atmosphere. This is the discovery which I wish to make known. The process involved in the generation of the waves is the following: The sun projects charged particles constituting an electric current which passes through a conducting stratum of the atmosphere approximately 10 kilometers thick enveloping the earth. This is a transmission of energy exactly as I illustrated in my experimental lectures in which one end of a wire is connected to an electric generator of high potential, its other end being free. In this case the generator is represented by the sun and the wire by the conducting air. The passage of the solar current involves the transference of electric charges from particle to particle with the speed of light, thus resulting in the production of extremely short and penetrating waves. As the air stratum mentioned is the source of the waves it follows that the so-called cosmic rays observed 3t great altitudes must increase as this stratum is approached. My researches and calculations have brought to light the following facts in this connection: (1) the intensity of the so-called cosmic rays must be greatest in the zenithal portion of atmosphere; (2) the intensity should increase more and more rapidly up to an elevation of about 20 kilometers where the conducting air stratum begins; (3) from there on the intensity should fall, first slowly and then more rapidly, to an insignificant value at an altitude of about 30 kilometers; (4) the display of high potential must occur on the free end of the terrestrial wire, that is to say, on the side turned away from the sun. The current from the latter is supplied at a pressure of about 216 billion volts and there is a difference of 2 billion volts between the illuminated and the dark side of the globe. The energy of this current is so great that it readily accounts for the aurora and other phenomena observed in the atmosphere and at the earth's surface.

 

  For the time being I must content myself with the announcement of the salient facts, but in due course I expect to be able to give more or less accurate technical data relating to all particulars of this discovery.

 

  To go to another subject, I have devoted much of my time during the year to the perfecting of a new small and compact apparatus by which energy in considerable amounts can now be flashed through interstellar space to any distance without the slightest dispersion, I had in mind to confer with my friend George E. Hale, the great astronomer and solar expert, regarding the possible use of this invention in connection with his own researches. In the meantime, however, I am expecting to put before the Institute of France an accurate description of the devices with data and calculations and claim the Pierre Guzman Prize of 100,000 francs for means of communication with other worlds, feeling perfectly sure that it will be awarded to me. The money, of course, is a trifling consideration, but for the great historical honor of being the first to achieve this miracle I would be almost willing to give my life.

 

  My most important invention from a practical point of view is a new form of tube with apparatus for its operation. In 1896 I brought out a high potential targetless tube which I operated successfully with potentials up to 4 million volts from '96 to '98. This device was adopted by many imitators and with slight modifications it is employed even now in all research laboratories and scientific institutions here and in other countries, and virtually all atomic investigations are carried on with it. At a later period I managed to produce very much higher potentials up to 18 million volts, and then I encountered unsurmountable difficulties which convinced me that it was necessary to invent an entirely different form of tube in order to carry out successfully certain ideas I had conceived. This task I found far more difficult than I had expected, not so much in the construction as in the operation of the tube. For many years I was baffled in my efforts, although I made a steady slow progress. Finally though, I was rewarded with complete success and I produced a tube which it will be hard to improve further. It is of ideal simplicity, not subject to wear and can be operated at any potential, however high, that can be produced. It will carry heavy currents, transform any amount of energy within practical limits, and it permits easy control and regulation of the same. I expect that this invention, when it becomes known, will be universally adopted in preference to other forms of tubes, and that it will be the means of obtaining results undreamed of before. Among others, it will enable the production of cheap radium substitutes in any desired quantity and will be, in general, immensely more effective in the smashing of atoms and the transmutation of matter. I am hopeful that it will be possible by its use to carry out a process in which there should be no misses whatever, but only hits. However, this tube will not open up a way to utilize atomic or subatomic energy for power purposes. According to the physical truth I have discovered there is no available energy in atomic structure, and even if there were any, the input will always greatly exceed the output, precluding profitable, practical use of the liberated energy.

 

  Some papers have reported that I had promised to give a full description of my tube and its accessories on the present occasion. This has caused me a considerable annoyance-as, owing to some obligations I have undertaken regarding the application of the tube for important purposes, I am unable to make a complete disclosure now. But as soon as I am relieved of these obligations a technical description of the device and of all the apparatus will be given to scientific institutions.

 

  There is one more discovery which I want to announce at this time, consisting of a new method and apparatus for the obtainment of vacua exceeding many times the highest heretofore realized. I think that as much as one-billionth of a micron can be attained. What may be accomplished by means of such vacua is a matter of conjecture, but it is obvious that they will make possible the production of much more intense effects in electron tubes. My ideas regarding the electron are at variance with those generally entertained. I hold that it is a relatively large body carrying a surface charge and not an elementary unit. When such an electron leaves an electrode of extremely high potential and in very high vacuum, it carries an electrostatic charge many times greater than the normal. This may astonish some of those who think that the particle has the same charge in the tube and outside of it in the air. A beautiful and instructive experiment has been contrived by me showing that such is not the case, for as soon as the particle gets out into the atmosphere it becomes a blazing star owing to the escape of the excess charge. The great quantity of electricity stored on the particle is responsible for the difficulties encountered in the operation of certain tubes and the rapid deterioration of the same.

 

Nikola Tesla

“If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have the key to the universe.” - Nikola Tesla 1899
June 24, 2012
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@Bud,

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Have you read anything related to this yet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q…..antum_foam

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Seems this idea might be the contemparary idea in place of aether, with ideas that seem consistent with evidence.

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Relating to your post, I think you demonize nuclear power a bit much.

It's mainly how we make use of it and utilize the design that determines safety.

For example (at least in the US), we have containers that can keep the waste sealed away that are very sturdy (test show them to withstand fire, explosions, and even being rammed by a high speed diesel locomotive.

A key would be to adopt improved forms of nuclear energy, like the LFTR (liquid fluoride thorium reactor).

And of course, there's the potential for fusion, even if we still have to wait until 2050 (or so they say).

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Point is, zero point energy requires a lot of new physics for us to learn, and may be centuries down the road.

Fusion and LTFR, however, make use of what we already know, and thus are much closer to us in time.

And that is key for both improved energy production and spacecraft propulsion.

The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain. - Mr. Scott, Star Trek III
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